Michael Shermer undermines his own argument for evidence of UFOs

Jesse Michels sits down with skeptic Michael Shermer to debate the most compelling UAP cases: nuclear site incursions, the Nimitz Tic Tac, Roswell, and suspicious scientist deaths. Shermer, betting no major institution confirms aliens by 2030, meets a White House UAP Advisory Council member. The tension is thick and the archive nods knowingly.